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megalithic ritual centers celestial

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markers and more these things should

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past really knew or thought about this

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human terrarium and their place within

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ignorance apathy and dare I say

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suppression that does not go down all

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those folks we're lucky to have today's

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guest Greg little but the unfamiliar mr.

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little is a psychologist by trade who

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holds a master's degree in psychology as

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well as a doctorate in counseling from

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Memphis State University he is associate

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editor of alternate perceptions and has

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written over 30 books on a number of

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subjects from self-help and criminal

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justice to ancient mound builder

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cultures Atlantis and UFOs today we're

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going to talk primarily about his latest

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release with co-author Andrew Collins

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entitled Denisovan origins hybrid humans

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gobekli tepe

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and the genesis of the giants of ancient

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america and i'm sure it's going to be a

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good time so here is the

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multi-discipline Denisovan detective

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Greg L little welcome to the higher side

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hi Greg hey thank you and that is quite

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a introduction there a lot of a lot of

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very flowing language in the beginning

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that was that was impressive hey man I

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try I try you know just do you do that

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on every show yeah I would say so you

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got to get people warmed up you know

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every subject can be very diverse and

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you really got to set them up well I

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think because you know attention spans

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are short these days well you did a

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great job there and my bio is a bit out

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of date it always is

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I don't even apply a new bio to people

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as I move along you just reach a certain

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age and you go what the heck you don't

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carry yes that's kind of where I'm at

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with this I'm just doing what I want to

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do at this point in life right hey amen

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just a couple of Greg's doing what we

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like to do that's right in there Greg

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yeah I'm really looking for this man

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because you've written plenty of books

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that fit squarely in our wheelhouse and

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I hope we have time to touch on several

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of them but it is Denisovan origins

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which is also in part connected to your

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other book path of souls that are the

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main offerings on the table today and I

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really enjoyed the book I think the

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mound building cultures of ancient

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America and the idea of giants are both

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pretty exciting and interesting and as

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someone who's also fascinated by

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synchronicity and dreams I think a good

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place to start is to ask you how you

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even got interested in mounds because it

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seems like something you couldn't ignore

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right wow I'm surprised

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you brought that up I'm not sure what

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where you read that or which book it was

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in I know it wasn't it wasn't in denisa

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bin origins was it no it was not now

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okay all right well back in 1984 I had

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my first book published and that's a

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long time ago before a lot of your

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listeners were born and that book was

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called the archetype experience and it

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tried to explain the UFO phenomenon

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through Carl Jung's idea of

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synchronicity in any event I did that

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the old-fashioned way and that is you

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you type out a manuscript you make

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multiple copies and you send them off to

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publishers and you wait and I got many

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rejections I got some interesting

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rejections from some publishers but

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eventually I found the small publisher

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that put it out but during that roughly

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years time where I had to wait for this

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first book to come out something

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happened to me and that is this I had a

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intrusive dream that occurred roughly

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ten nights in a row the dream seemed to

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come out of nowhere and on the dream who

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are in the dream I was standing on an

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Indian Mound

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and I took some pictures and then

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suddenly I was standing on another

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Indian Mound and I took pictures and on

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another and took pictures and another

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and this went on this was the dream it

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was a recurring dream that went on night

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after night after night now I say this

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all the time but is totally accurate

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what I knew about Indian mounds at the

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time could have fit on the back of a

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postage stamp now I know most of your

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readers will not be familiar with what a

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postage stamp is write a post each tab

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is a little tiny piece of paper you put

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on an envelope mail it off so it's not

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very big and that was an old joke that

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was used back a long time ago but I

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really knew nothing about mounds I knew

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next to nothing about Native Americans

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nothing was taught in my high school

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history classes nothing was taught in

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college about it I took anthropology and

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archeology as courses never heard a bit

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about them so my wife and I decided

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because of this dream I had no idea

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where it was coming from we went to a

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mound I live in Memphis Tennessee we

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went to a mound here I've never been to

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and when we walked in we saw something

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was actually a spider illustration and I

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just knew instantly that I had to visit

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all of the known mounds in the in

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America that I mean North American when

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I say that get a photographic record of

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them and generate a pictorial

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Illustrated encyclopedia now this came

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again out of nowhere and that started a

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quest to go to Native American mounds

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which we did we wound up going to

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thousands and thousands of them took so

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many pictures and back in those days you

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had to print them out and I wasn't

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entirely organized because I was doing a

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lot of other things and work so I didn't

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even write the name on a lot of them but

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I did finally finish that Mound

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encyclopedia book the first edition came

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out in 2009 it took that long and I

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updated it in 2014 I believe I believe

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it was 16 and that's available on out

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and it has about 3,000 mounds in it

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North America but that's how that

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started it came out of nowhere from a

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dream and I know it's an unusual story

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but it's absolutely the truth I have no

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explanation for it except I when I came

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out with the 1990 book which was a

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follow-up to that first one that was

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about Carl Jung and UFOs I started

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talking about Native Americans in it and

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then I had an aunt and an uncle and my

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father who said oh by the way your

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great-great grandmother was Native

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American she was Seneca and I had no

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idea and then that actually made me look

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at it into all of it even deeper so

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that's kind of the story that's how I

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got into it I loved it answering the

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call of the mounds and maybe even your

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own ancestors well maybe I will I'll add

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one more piece to this when I was doing

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the book that encyclopedia it is so

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detailed and it's got so much

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information packed into it it's an

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oversized hardcover that's the size of

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an

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went oh my god this is too much work I

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have other things I have to do and

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nobody's going to read this thing anyway

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it's not going to sell I'm doing all

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this work for nothing and I decided I'm

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just not going to do it and that night

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starting that night I had dreams and I

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had these Native Americans shaming loads

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of others coming and screaming at me

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saying you said you were going to do

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this you promised us you were going to

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do this we're going to bother you till

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you get this done and I mean they

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screamed and screamed and then this this

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night and you okay I got to do this so I

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just recommitted myself to doing it in

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the dream stop I haven't had a single

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one sentence because I did go ahead and

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complete it and get it out and that

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ended it just very strange but true and

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for a psychologist it's not unusual to

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say this kind of stuff but usually

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you're saying it about other people not

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yourself well you know I guess dead men

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can tell no tales but they can harass

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you in your dreams it appears it appears

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so yeah but that's that's the story and

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that's been written up several places

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I've said it quite a few times and it's

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just the way it was I don't really know

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what to say about it other than that

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it's just the way it was yeah life is

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weird and I'm sure that is just a detail

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that is interesting for an audience like

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this and another little detail I heard

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that is kind of in the realms of getting

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intimate with indigenous spirituality

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maybe even that has an emphasis on

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entheogenic experiences but you had a

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Native American shaman and his family

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move in with you for a month is that

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true

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oh my you have done your homework I dig

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man I dig you you've done your homework

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on that yes I don't I do not recommend

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that to anyone it wasn't just the shame

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and it was in his entire family that

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occurred in 1989 it had to do with I was

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working for government at the time and I

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got involved in a standoff between a

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group of very angry Native

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Americans and a group of archaeologists

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who were trying to do an excavation into

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a mound in downtown Memphis and one

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thing led to another and finally this

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Shaymin he was an arrow priest of

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Cheyenne he his wife and his three kids

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moved into our house stayed with his

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exactly 30 days they left the day the

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Memphis City Council passed a resolution

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that barred the archaeologists from

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digging into these mounds during those

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30 days he and I had a lot of talks he

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actually had the seven sacred arrows

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from the Cheyenne tribe that go back a

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couple thousand years at least and they

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were used in their ceremonies and he had

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those wrapped up with him long involved

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story but I learned quite a bit it also

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he would bring when we talk about sacred

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things he would bring in dirt from the

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outside and he would toss it on himself

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and say oh this this is sacred knowledge

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I had to purify myself and now the whole

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idea of dirt being used to purify

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yourself is that they believed

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everything had a spiritual nature and

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everything had spirit within it the most

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primordial spirit of all is soil or dirt

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rocks represent a form of condensed

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spirit crystals are the most pure of

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spirit energy water is flowing spirit

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and so on but they believe everything

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has a spiritual nature archeologists and

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anthropologists used to derived that as

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animism that is that they believe

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everything is alive but it's not really

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they didn't really mean this idea of

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spirit and everything in that it's alive

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but it has a form of consciousness that

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where everything is one and it's all

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part of the whole and everything as a

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spiritual nature so yeah we had weird

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experiences with him we went outside

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several nights and he pointed to

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different areas of the sky and said this

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means this this means that that various

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constellations they did not use the

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same names for stars and constellations

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that we use today but almost every tribe

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has its own names and terms for various

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constellations hmm I am surprised you

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dug that story oh it's not that hard

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yeah you've done some researches it's

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the one job that a host should have but

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hey so that is some those are some great

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anecdotes to get us started here but

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when it comes to this book Denisovan

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origins it's really two full books and

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one but the first part old world Cosmo

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Genesis is written by Andrew Collins in

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the second part American Genesis is

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written by you obviously Andrew isn't

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here but could you give the people a bit

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of an overview of Andrews contribution

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before the story gets to America where

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you pick it up

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well Andrew Collins is is very well

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known

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he's almost he's on almost every episode

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of the show ancient aliens

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he's on several other series Network

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series pretty often he's best known for

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his work in about gobekli tepe in Turkey

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he's well known for European archaeology

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and of course a lot more is known about

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European archaeology and history than

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the Americas history here started for us

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1492 that's why we call it the historic

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period everything before that's

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prehistory but in Europe there are

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records that go way back so there's a

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lot more known so andrew has done a lot

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of work in Egypt he actually discovered

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a cave system under the Giza Plateau and

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the Egyptians even named it after him

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it's known as Collins caves andrew is

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famous for really challenging what is

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called the acht the oct the Orion

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correlations theory which which

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theorized that the three the three main

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pyramids at the Giza Plateau in Egypt

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are aligned to the constellation of

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Orion

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so Andrew and some colleagues some

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professional colleagues of has found

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that the three main Pyramids at Giza are

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also aligned exactly to the three

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crossbar stars

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the constellation of Cygnus which is

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known as the northern cross so that is

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that is what Andrew is known for but

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he's written a lot about this site in

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Turkey called gobekli tepe and gobekli

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tepe is the oldest stone temple known in

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the world dates to roughly 10,000 BC

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actually it's more like 9600 BC or so

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it's a massive site and southeastern

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turkey has these huge pillars of stone

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they're like 16 feet tall some of them

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are 20 feet tall just monstrously huge

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t-shaped pillars that have probably held

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a roof up but they have these incredible

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intricate carvings of animals and human

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forms on them and if it changed

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everything the discovery of Gobekli Tepe

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around 2000 year 2000 or so changed

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everything and when I mean it changed

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everything up until that time and really

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we're talking around 2010 when everybody

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knew that okay this is dated that old up

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until that time everyone in archaeology

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thought that civilization began roughly

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4000 BC that that began the earliest

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stone carving stone structures and

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megalithic buildings that there was

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nothing before that everyone was a

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hunter-gatherer before that but now we

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know that's not true so that pushed the

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dates back for everything and of course

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oddly gobekli tepe

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burial which occurred around 9600 BC

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occurred right at the same time that

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Plato's Atlantis supposedly was

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destroyed and disappeared and that of

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course is driven archaeologists

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mainstream archaeologists nuts because

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they hate the whole idea of Atlantis but

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Andrew wrote in the beginning of this

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book that this these people people known

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as the Denisovans you can call them

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Denisovans most of the most Andrew says

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that over there they pronounce it denisa

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been but it to me it doesn't matter

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they're actually named after the cave in

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which their remains were very first

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discovered and

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monk by the name of Dennis lived in this

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cave so they called it the cave of

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Dennis therefore they became known as

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the Denisovans the cave was located in

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the all-time mountains of Siberia it's

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in Russia initially when they went into

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the cave they found habitation layers of

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modern humans they dug lower they found

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habitation layers of Neanderthals and

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they dug lower and then they discovered

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this unknown much much deeper layer that

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had initially a finger bone and a couple

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other little pieces of bone and now they

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know they've recovered now a jaw of

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Denis 'van in China they have found

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pieces elsewhere and they have a lot

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more bones but the interesting thing is

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they did a full genetic sequence of this

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finger bone which was incredible and

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that genetic sequence showed it was an

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entirely different species of humans

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they have now taken them back to 700,000

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years ago which is astonishing so there

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they were contemporary with the

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Neanderthals but they are different but

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they did interbreed with the

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Neanderthals and this is all I'm not

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talking woowoo here this is mainstream

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archaeology mainstream genetics the

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Denis events and the Neanderthals

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interbred among themselves and they

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interbred with modern humans later

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now modern humans supposedly developed

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around 200,000 years ago or so but all

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these species interbred but the Denis

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Evans died out as did the Neanderthals

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it's unclear why they may have been

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killed off but no one really knows but

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what was discovered with them and even

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more recently with Neanderthals is that

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these were not stupid brutes who walked

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hunched over and who were more ape-like

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than human these were very intelligent

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creatures who made drawings who made

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paintings who actually made clothing

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which they sometimes sewed these were

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people who may

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a beautiful jewelry Andrew loves to talk

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about the discovery of a hole in some of

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their polished moldavite jewelry that

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the scientists have said that it could

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only have been made by a high-speed

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drill now as soon as I use that term

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everybody thinks of electricity but

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we're not talking about electricity

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there's a lot of ways you can make a

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high-speed drill that makes a really

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smooth polished interior but they

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actually had a lot more capability than

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we would believe so these people were

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the beginning of really modern knowledge

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they started they started the first art

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as they developed they passed along some

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of their information to the modern

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humans so basically I'm following

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Andrews chronology now and then these

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groups slowly move toward the West so

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they were in Asia they started moving

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toward the West and their cultures

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developed through a long series one of

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them was called the swih darienne's and

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I'm not that's Andrews forte but

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eventually they got to the far western

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coast of Europe which would be France

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and Spain and Portugal and they became

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known as the solutrean this is about

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20,000 years ago the solutrean made a

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very distinctive type of spear point a

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very large spear point that had fluted

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size flute is really a channel that

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makes the spear point thinner but it

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makes it easier and to use and it makes

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it much more lethal and what you have to

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remember is at that timeframe

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20,000 years ago virtually all of the

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continents in the world were overrun by

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these gigantic creatures such as woolly

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mammoths and mastodons tree sloth

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saber-toothed Tigers and so on so the

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humans who were around at that time had

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to have a way to protect themselves so

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they developed these spear points now

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sometime around 15,000 years ago the

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solutrean culture disappeared and when I

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say it disappeared it simply means their

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points are no longer found they evolved

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into some

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one else and the thing is they didn't

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need the points anymore because all of

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these all of the large creatures there

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had been killed off but it appears that

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they then went around the area of

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Iceland and Greenland just like the

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Norse supposedly did in around the year

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1000 and they wound up in Canada and

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they begin spreading out across North

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America and they became what is known as

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the Clovis culture which for a long time

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was the initial culture believed to be

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the first inhabitants of the Americas

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and we know that now is not true in

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archaeology knows it's not true but the

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Clovis culture did start apparently in

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the East Coast and it spread to the West

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never got too far south that never went

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further south than Panama and the Clovis

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culture appears to have merged with

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people who were already here now we're

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getting to mind my part of the book and

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they were here as long as those three

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hundred thousand years ago they came

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multiple ways from many places and it

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all the Clovis culture suddenly

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disappeared and it all collapsed around

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9600 BC with the catastrophe we call

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today the Younger Dryas event which was

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a cooling of the earth so that really

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gets you up to where my part of the book

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really begins but I can't do justice to

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Andrews part it's just andrew is an is

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an incredibly intricate detailed writer

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and how he does that it to make it

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explainable and understandable to

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people's kind of beyond me I try to

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write in a much simpler fashion and I'm

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willing to gloss over a lot of details

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just because I don't want to get bogged

545
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:02,050
down in mm-hmm I understand these things

546
00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:04,690
are very complex and that was a great

547
00:24:08,910 --> 00:24:07,030
summary of a couple hundred thousand

548
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:08,920
years in just a few minutes so yeah

549
00:24:12,690 --> 00:24:10,050
there you go

550
00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:12,700
yeah that brings us up to speed

551
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:14,560
basically now we know the whole human

552
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:16,690
story and from the end of the shower

553
00:24:22,290 --> 00:24:20,530
right yes actually that next 10 to 15

554
00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:22,300
thousand years is the most interesting

555
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:24,790
to me anyway it is and of course the

556
00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:27,730
closer the proximity is to it the more

557
00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:30,580
details you can actually uncover

558
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:33,940
and when it comes to the mounds and the

559
00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:36,250
excavations and the giant skeletons you

560
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,049
know that first round of really learning

561
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:40,480
about these things for Westerners a lot

562
00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:42,250
of this started with Thomas Jefferson

563
00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:44,710
right he had a preoccupation with these

564
00:24:49,169 --> 00:24:47,140
mounds well yes that's actually true

565
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,179
Jefferson played quite a role in all

566
00:24:54,029 --> 00:24:51,760
this Jefferson supposedly did the first

567
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,039
excavation into any mounds and he did it

568
00:24:57,690 --> 00:24:56,799
on his own land and it was pretty

569
00:24:59,580 --> 00:24:57,700
impressive

570
00:25:01,919 --> 00:24:59,590
but he did not find what I would call

571
00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:01,929
Giants and merely to spend normal-sized

572
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:05,139
humans but Jefferson actually set out

573
00:25:11,220 --> 00:25:09,010
several people on expeditions to map and

574
00:25:13,889 --> 00:25:11,230
survey a number of men's but it was

575
00:25:15,810 --> 00:25:13,899
really the Smithsonian and at the very

576
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:15,820
beginning of the Smithsonian starting

577
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:20,169
around 1882 or so where the real work on

578
00:25:26,399 --> 00:25:23,289
North American Indian mounds began the

579
00:25:29,580 --> 00:25:26,409
Smithsonian had a project forced upon

580
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:29,590
them by the US Congress and it lasted

581
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:33,330
from 1882 to 1891 so it ran nine years

582
00:25:40,019 --> 00:25:36,970
during that time the Smithsonian field

583
00:25:43,139 --> 00:25:40,029
agents dug into 2,000 mounds and they

584
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:43,149
collected 40,000 specimens which were

585
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:46,570
mainly skulls they wanted skulls for

586
00:25:51,419 --> 00:25:49,330
display and artifacts they wanted to

587
00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:51,429
fill the new Smithsonian Museum in

588
00:25:54,570 --> 00:25:53,019
Washington with these beautiful

589
00:25:57,930 --> 00:25:54,580
artifacts that they could pull out

590
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:57,940
events during those excavations the

591
00:26:05,639 --> 00:26:01,080
Smithsonian pulled out of these mounds

592
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:05,649
17 large skeletons ranging in height

593
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:08,049
some a few of the seventeen three of

594
00:26:12,779 --> 00:26:09,850
them were under seven feet but they were

595
00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:12,789
all way over 65 there were fourteen of

596
00:26:15,299 --> 00:26:14,590
them that were seven to eight feet in

597
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:15,309
height

598
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,710
which is astonishing when you realize

599
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:20,559
how few skeletal remains they actually

600
00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:23,289
did pull out of the mounds most of these

601
00:26:29,549 --> 00:26:26,200
were found in very elaborate tombs there

602
00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:29,559
is an area of the United States along

603
00:26:34,769 --> 00:26:32,200
the Kanawha River Valley which runs into

604
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:34,779
the Ohio but it goes through West

605
00:26:39,570 --> 00:26:37,210
Virginia and on both sides of the

606
00:26:41,610 --> 00:26:39,580
Kanawha River particularly near

607
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:41,620
Charleston and South Charleston West

608
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:44,130
Virginia there were seven of the

609
00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:46,450
seven-footers pulled out in a series of

610
00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:48,820
mounds and they were in really very

611
00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:51,460
elaborate tombs with a lot of artifacts

612
00:26:59,880 --> 00:26:54,760
we know the era that these people were

613
00:27:04,110 --> 00:26:59,890
buried roughly 1000 BC 1500 BC and it's

614
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:04,120
called Adina a de na e remount which the

615
00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:06,760
Edina ran from about 2000 BC to roughly

616
00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:09,700
500 BC there are loads of the Dene

617
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:12,100
immense they're giant conical mounds

618
00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:13,980
when I say conical I mean it's like a

619
00:27:19,049 --> 00:27:16,660
like the top of an ice cream cone that's

620
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:19,059
literally where the word comes from so

621
00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:21,010
they're cone-shaped mounds that can get

622
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:23,740
enormous the tallest ones have been some

623
00:27:29,010 --> 00:27:26,049
80 feet today the tallest one I believe

624
00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:29,020
is 72 feet high that remains but they're

625
00:27:34,350 --> 00:27:31,240
huge they're gigantic and usually in the

626
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:34,360
base right in the middle at the bottom

627
00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:37,690
there is a really elaborate tomb now

628
00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:39,880
there are burials generally above that

629
00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:42,220
tomb that are less elaborate because

630
00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:44,260
they do the initial burial and then they

631
00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:46,750
do more and more on top of it so the

632
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,160
mound will get bigger and bigger but

633
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:50,559
that's just one kind of man so that

634
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:54,130
really is the that that idea that the

635
00:27:59,220 --> 00:27:56,530
Smithsonian found these seven foot to

636
00:28:02,730 --> 00:27:59,230
eight foot tall skeletons is really the

637
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:02,740
beginning of it modern archaeologists

638
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:05,470
deny every one of those even though

639
00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:08,559
they're in the Smithsonian publications

640
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,870
and at the same time they're not the

641
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:13,360
only ones found even after the

642
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:16,650
Smithsonian did its excavations modern

643
00:28:22,289 --> 00:28:19,080
archaeologists have found many more

644
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,299
seven to eight foot tall skeletons as

645
00:28:28,530 --> 00:28:25,200
they did more and more excavations but

646
00:28:32,190 --> 00:28:28,540
excavations in two mounds burial mounds

647
00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:32,200
essentially stopped in 1990 because of

648
00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:34,390
the law so there hasn't been anything it

649
00:28:39,539 --> 00:28:36,220
was done and all of these large

650
00:28:43,770 --> 00:28:39,549
skeletons that were pulled out of mounds

651
00:28:47,539 --> 00:28:43,780
are gone and what happened was in 1989

652
00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:47,549
and 92 laws were passed one law

653
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,230
specifically applied to the Smithsonian

654
00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:52,480
and the other one applied to every other

655
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:55,270
place that we've ever received a penny

656
00:29:00,190 --> 00:28:57,530
of federal money or ever would

657
00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:00,200
a penny federal money that they had to

658
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:04,750
repatriate which means give back any

659
00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:08,960
skeletal remains and any burial

660
00:29:15,370 --> 00:29:12,380
artifacts to the native any Native

661
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,380
American tribes that would claim them

662
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:18,080
and if they could not find anybody to

663
00:29:23,710 --> 00:29:20,930
claim them then they had to keep them in

664
00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:23,720
storage and not let anyone look at them

665
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:27,020
or examine them at all for any purpose

666
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:30,710
so today it's like the Smithsonian the

667
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,140
Smithsonian has less than 300 of these

668
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:35,600
remaining and all of the ones that they

669
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:38,450
have remaining out of probably millions

670
00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:40,730
of artifacts they've accumulated from

671
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:43,340
the 1800s they've given it all back at

672
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:47,120
300 and the 300 they have all come from

673
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:49,310
South America they can't get any South

674
00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:52,010
American tribes to take them back so

675
00:29:56,770 --> 00:29:54,230
that's where we're at no one can really

676
00:29:59,170 --> 00:29:56,780
examine any of these even if you could

677
00:30:01,660 --> 00:29:59,180
find one it's not legal to do the

678
00:30:03,340 --> 00:30:01,670
testing the last one that I'd ever heard

679
00:30:05,890 --> 00:30:03,350
of where the testing was done was the

680
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:05,900
famous Kennewick Man Kennewick man was

681
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:09,110
found in the along the a River in

682
00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:10,970
Washington State can't remember the name

683
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:13,430
of it now but when it was found it was

684
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,170
just found washed up in this river

685
00:30:20,020 --> 00:30:17,840
was tested it was found to be 9,000

686
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:20,030
years old Native Americans wanted it but

687
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:22,250
the scientists and archaeologists wanted

688
00:30:28,690 --> 00:30:25,100
to test it so it was kept in storage and

689
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:28,700
that one skeleton the legal proceedings

690
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:32,240
went all the way to the US Supreme Court

691
00:30:38,290 --> 00:30:35,210
in order for it to have any genetic

692
00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:38,300
testing done so they finally and I think

693
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:40,700
it was an eight-year run before it was

694
00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:43,520
done they did the genetic testing on it

695
00:30:47,740 --> 00:30:45,140
and then it was given to the Native

696
00:30:49,870 --> 00:30:47,750
Americans so that it takes it's that

697
00:30:54,340 --> 00:30:49,880
hard to do any kind of testing on

698
00:30:56,860 --> 00:30:54,350
remains these giants did exist there is

699
00:31:00,040 --> 00:30:56,870
a tremendous amount of evidence even

700
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:00,050
beyond this in both North and South

701
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:02,410
America that there was some hereditary

702
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:06,310
branch of individuals who were the elite

703
00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:10,640
leaders of the population who passed

704
00:31:14,190 --> 00:31:11,380
along there

705
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:14,200
knowledge her edited her ethically that

706
00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:17,290
is from one parent to the to the

707
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:18,940
children and they would become the

708
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:20,770
Shaymin the medicine men and perhaps

709
00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:24,430
even the rulers of the society and they

710
00:31:29,310 --> 00:31:26,980
probably interbred among themselves in a

711
00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:29,320
very small closed group this definitely

712
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:31,150
went on in South America which we know

713
00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:33,610
through all of the research of skeletons

714
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:35,560
there because the laws in North America

715
00:31:40,590 --> 00:31:38,440
don't apply to South America so we know

716
00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:40,600
that that it was hereditary at least

717
00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:42,750
there and of course you have three

718
00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:45,190
dramatically different types of cultures

719
00:31:50,190 --> 00:31:48,220
between South America the Central

720
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,200
American cultures with their pyramids

721
00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:52,720
and then North American maps pyramids

722
00:31:57,030 --> 00:31:54,520
were not built in North America they

723
00:31:59,580 --> 00:31:57,040
built they built incredible mounds and

724
00:32:04,230 --> 00:31:59,590
earthworks geometric earthworks which

725
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:04,240
are amazing it is hard to describe the

726
00:32:09,570 --> 00:32:07,630
amazing thousands of geometric

727
00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:09,580
earthworks that were made in North

728
00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:12,400
America and most people that hear an

729
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:14,620
explanation Rossio map or pictures of

730
00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:17,440
them or survey when they go to it and

731
00:32:23,910 --> 00:32:19,720
they look at it they go oh my god I had

732
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:23,920
no idea so you really can't describe an

733
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:26,110
accurate terms what these geometric

734
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:29,110
earthworks were just like it's hard to

735
00:32:33,210 --> 00:32:31,210
tell people about all the pyramids in

736
00:32:36,030 --> 00:32:33,220
Central America built by the Maya and

737
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:36,040
the Aztecs and the mixed texts and so on

738
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:38,380
you have to go see them and then South

739
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:41,110
America has these giant megalithic stone

740
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:43,810
structures so we had three very distinct

741
00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:46,480
cultures in the Americas but the Giants

742
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:48,820
were also in South America people like

743
00:32:55,950 --> 00:32:52,360
Magellan Lord Byron many other really

744
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,960
famous famous people saw these giants in

745
00:33:00,960 --> 00:32:58,240
South America Francis Drake was one

746
00:33:03,330 --> 00:33:00,970
Drake actually measured some of them

747
00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:03,340
physically measured them and they found

748
00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:04,900
the ones in South America there were

749
00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:06,700
some initially that they said were 10

750
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:09,820
feet and every 10 feet height every time

751
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:12,970
they came back every time the early

752
00:33:18,090 --> 00:33:16,090
explorers came back to South American

753
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:18,100
we're talk about extreme South America

754
00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:21,010
an area called Patagonia Tierra del

755
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,590
Fuego which is the southern tip of South

756
00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:25,120
America from

757
00:33:33,870 --> 00:33:29,260
magellan being there in 1520 all the way

758
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:33,880
through Charles Darwin in the 1800s went

759
00:33:38,610 --> 00:33:36,460
there every single group that went down

760
00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:38,620
there said these people are exceedingly

761
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:41,470
large and they started out being called

762
00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:43,809
Giants ten feet tall and then nine feet

763
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:46,120
tall by the time the Sir Francis Drake

764
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:48,250
got there he said all these these 10

765
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:50,950
footers were exaggerated and he said the

766
00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:55,360
tallest I found was eight feet high but

767
00:33:59,250 --> 00:33:56,470
he called all the early ones

768
00:34:02,850 --> 00:33:59,260
exaggerations Darwin when he got there

769
00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:02,860
in the mid-1800s saw and extermination

770
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:05,470
going on and he wrote about it detailed

771
00:34:09,419 --> 00:34:07,210
they were getting rid of virtually all

772
00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:09,429
of the indigenous tribes down there for

773
00:34:14,430 --> 00:34:11,740
two reasons one is there was gold and

774
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:14,440
the Explorer I'll call them explorers

775
00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:16,210
but they really weren't explorers they

776
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:17,409
wanted to get rid of the indigenous

777
00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:19,510
people so they could mine for gold and

778
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,820
it was also great cheap hurting country

779
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:23,919
so they wanted to get the indigenous

780
00:34:29,879 --> 00:34:26,889
people out so they were literally doing

781
00:34:33,090 --> 00:34:29,889
a war of extermination and by by the

782
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,100
mid-1800s there was only one female left

783
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:35,440
of the tribe that had the largest wounds

784
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:37,929
of all that was called the Omo in pain

785
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:40,450
I've gone a long way with this I'm gone

786
00:34:45,139 --> 00:34:42,310
from north to south american giants but

787
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,149
there's so much evidence that these tall

788
00:34:50,940 --> 00:34:48,159
exceedingly tall people existed it's

789
00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:50,950
just overwhelming yet skeptics just keep

790
00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:53,080
saying no no and I'm using the term

791
00:34:59,370 --> 00:34:57,430
giant not in the sense of someone this

792
00:35:01,680 --> 00:34:59,380
twenty and thirty feet tall if you've

793
00:35:04,590 --> 00:35:01,690
ever stood next to someone like Shaq

794
00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:04,600
O'Neal or someone like Wilt Chamberlain

795
00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:06,340
actually stood next to Wilt Chamberlain

796
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:07,960
when it was sixteen years old and that

797
00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:10,810
man was a giant to me he was seven foot

798
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:13,300
two at seven four will was and he was

799
00:35:19,590 --> 00:35:15,910
proportional in size I was I was five

800
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,600
feet nine and he was a giant right and

801
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:22,000
that's the same way that the Spanish

802
00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:24,070
captains and the British sea captains

803
00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:26,680
explained them - these people are giants

804
00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:28,750
meaning there are several feet taller

805
00:35:33,810 --> 00:35:30,790
than us in their robust they are

806
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:33,820
proportion mm-hmm so that's the term now

807
00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:35,830
all the other stuff that we've ever read

808
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:38,680
in newspaper report

809
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:41,530
of finding 20 and 30-foot people at

810
00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:44,110
least in the Americas we rant Andrew and

811
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:46,180
I ran down a lot of these reports and

812
00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:48,730
every single one of them that we were in

813
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:51,190
down turned out to be baseless the only

814
00:35:56,370 --> 00:35:53,500
ones that had credibility were always

815
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,380
based on an archeological excavation

816
00:36:00,510 --> 00:35:58,000
that was done by the Smithsonian or

817
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,520
others and those were usually reported

818
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:02,320
correctly that is that the PERT that the

819
00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:04,210
skeletal remains was seven to eight feet

820
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:07,420
in height right on that's a lot of great

821
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:09,610
detail I think the Carnegie Institution

822
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:11,650
funded a couple of those excavations too

823
00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:15,910
and yes Carnegie did 1958 Dondre GU dug

824
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:19,240
into a mound along the Ohio River and he

825
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:23,530
found a 7-foot two-inch one in it and he

826
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:25,330
said it was one of the largest that he'd

827
00:36:30,330 --> 00:36:27,910
ever seen notice I said one of the

828
00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:30,340
largest that he had ever seen because

829
00:36:35,340 --> 00:36:33,550
they had encountered them before and the

830
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:35,350
archaeologists that were doing the work

831
00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:39,670
like in 1958 to 1970 they didn't have

832
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:42,520
the same problem with saying that oh

833
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:46,290
these people were seven feet tall today

834
00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:48,450
archaeologists say that they all

835
00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:51,790
mismeasured they didn't know about the

836
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:54,580
process of spreading one skeptic

837
00:36:59,070 --> 00:36:57,130
actually said oh that they're all

838
00:37:01,110 --> 00:36:59,080
normal-sized and what's happened is they

839
00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:01,120
got wet and they froze and they got wet

840
00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:02,980
and they froze for thousands of years

841
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:04,990
and they got bigger and bigger and

842
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:07,150
bigger and bigger and I actually asked

843
00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:08,560
the skeptic I said so that's why you

844
00:37:13,050 --> 00:37:10,900
think dinosaurs were as small as a dog

845
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:13,060
because over the millions of years their

846
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:14,710
bones have been there they've gotten wet

847
00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:17,290
and then frozen and gotten wet and

848
00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:19,300
frozen and they just got bigger and

849
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:21,880
bigger but they're actually tiny it's an

850
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:24,610
absurd thing even in archaeology what it

851
00:37:30,570 --> 00:37:27,310
what the textbooks say is that if bones

852
00:37:32,610 --> 00:37:30,580
actually do get wet and then freeze and

853
00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:32,620
then fall out and freeze again and do

854
00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:34,870
this over and over they don't get bigger

855
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,980
they simply split they totally split and

856
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:40,720
they fracture but they don't just get

857
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:43,210
bigger so it's an absurd explanation

858
00:37:48,180 --> 00:37:45,880
these people did not mismeasure they

859
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:48,190
knew how did what they were doing but

860
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:50,050
they weren't afraid to say it and what's

861
00:37:54,859 --> 00:37:51,900
happened is

862
00:37:57,859 --> 00:37:54,869
there are people who take this this idea

863
00:38:00,019 --> 00:37:57,869
of giants and the mounds and the first

864
00:38:02,839 --> 00:38:00,029
thing that they'll quote after it is a

865
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:02,849
passage from the Bible that says there

866
00:38:09,220 --> 00:38:04,740
were giants in the earth in those days

867
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:09,230
right so these skeptics most of them are

868
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:12,359
agnostics and they believe that this

869
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:16,170
whole idea of giants somehow supports

870
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:20,609
creationism and for their own reasons

871
00:38:27,289 --> 00:38:24,839
they detest creationism they detest

872
00:38:30,319 --> 00:38:27,299
anything in archaeology that even

873
00:38:33,170 --> 00:38:30,329
remotely supports anything in the Bible

874
00:38:35,539 --> 00:38:33,180
I'm not saying whether I believe what's

875
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:35,549
in the Bible or not but I think it's

876
00:38:42,499 --> 00:38:40,470
absurd to to deny something because it

877
00:38:45,529 --> 00:38:42,509
goes against something that you just

878
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:45,539
believe in they believe in evolution

879
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:47,849
they do not believe in creation I

880
00:38:53,029 --> 00:38:50,490
believe in evolution too but I'm also

881
00:38:55,809 --> 00:38:53,039
somewhat of a creationist in a in a

882
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:55,819
different way I think both take place

883
00:39:00,589 --> 00:38:58,980
now I think the history is quite it's

884
00:39:02,989 --> 00:39:00,599
quite a mixed bag I don't think you can

885
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:02,999
put the entire history into into one box

886
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:05,369
I agree with that completely

887
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:07,970
but anything to them that even remotely

888
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:10,619
supports the idea in the Bible that

889
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:13,859
there were giants they do whatever they

890
00:39:19,339 --> 00:39:15,630
can to say this is not true they

891
00:39:21,229 --> 00:39:19,349
ridicule it they will make up arguments

892
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:21,239
against it that are completely untrue

893
00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:23,940
and then we've we've been called Andrew

894
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:26,430
and I have been called racist by a

895
00:39:32,479 --> 00:39:28,890
mainstream archaeologists recently who

896
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:32,489
reviewed the book and in it he said his

897
00:39:36,319 --> 00:39:34,170
very first sentence said that were

898
00:39:39,049 --> 00:39:36,329
racist because we assert that the

899
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:39,059
solutrean z' came over from Europe and

900
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:42,660
they taught the poor stupid indigenous

901
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:46,710
people here how to build mends and that

902
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:50,430
is not in our book at all not at all

903
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,710
they were already building maps the

904
00:39:55,940 --> 00:39:54,480
rebounds in South America the first

905
00:39:59,779 --> 00:39:55,950
mountains were found in South America

906
00:40:01,999 --> 00:39:59,789
and the natives built demands and I

907
00:40:04,099 --> 00:40:02,009
actually pointed that out to the guy and

908
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:04,109
he said yeah well your your genetics is

909
00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:04,650
all wrong

910
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:07,470
yes and but he only says that and the

911
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,060
truth is he doesn't understand the

912
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:11,880
genetics but we that's why we're racist

913
00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:15,530
we have said that there were multiple

914
00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:18,630
incursions into the Americas perhaps as

915
00:40:26,060 --> 00:40:23,070
long ago as 300,000 years there is good

916
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:26,070
evidence in South America that something

917
00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:27,720
we haven't talked I haven't talked about

918
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:29,190
here at all is the difference between

919
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:32,010
what is in South American textbooks and

920
00:40:36,980 --> 00:40:34,050
their museums and what's in North

921
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:36,990
America writing tend ignore what they

922
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:39,530
say in South America but they have

923
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:42,060
archaeologists with PhDs from major

924
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:44,370
universities who claim that South

925
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:47,280
America was first that South America had

926
00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:50,460
people there by 300,000 years ago and

927
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:53,430
lots of incursions around 50,000 years

928
00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:55,170
ago there's loads of sites to go to

929
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,630
50,000 years and that there was a

930
00:41:02,540 --> 00:41:00,240
southern route that is a route from the

931
00:41:05,660 --> 00:41:02,550
South Pacific that hugged the coastline

932
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:05,670
of Antarctica and if you actually got

933
00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:08,520
into a rat say in either Australia or

934
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:11,070
New Zealand and he just floated now it

935
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,870
would take you about a hundred days but

936
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:14,400
you if you just float it you'd

937
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:16,200
eventually go along the coast of

938
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:19,230
Antarctica and you would cut north and

939
00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:21,930
you'd go right up the coastline the

940
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:24,390
western coastline of South America

941
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:26,760
starting at Chile and you when you got

942
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:28,260
to the middle of South America you'd

943
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:30,060
been back out and eventually go over to

944
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:32,460
Hawaii from there so that is the

945
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,650
southern route there is a tribe that

946
00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:36,960
lives in the middle of the Amazon the

947
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:41,150
Brazilian Amazon that genetically is

948
00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:44,370
identical to indigenous people in the

949
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:46,980
South Pacific they are they know for

950
00:41:52,340 --> 00:41:50,010
certain that is who they are related to

951
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:52,350
there is no way that they could have

952
00:41:57,740 --> 00:41:55,920
gotten there around the around the

953
00:41:59,870 --> 00:41:57,750
Bering Straits which is where our

954
00:42:02,420 --> 00:41:59,880
mainstream archeologists say they all

955
00:42:04,370 --> 00:42:02,430
came from and that's why we're they say

956
00:42:07,580 --> 00:42:04,380
we're racist we don't say that all of

957
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:07,590
them came across Beringia all of them

958
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:11,250
came from Asia at the same time we say

959
00:42:17,060 --> 00:42:14,520
people came from Asia from using the

960
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:17,070
southern route very early a bunch of

961
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:18,450
times then

962
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,220
whole bunch of people came over across

963
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:23,040
Beringia at the end of the last ice age

964
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,710
around around fifteen thousand years ago

965
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:28,079
and then the final incursion was a group

966
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,300
of these solutrean a small group of them

967
00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:32,240
who eventually became the Clovis culture

968
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:35,190
coming from Europe but ultimately we

969
00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:38,730
know the solutrean were simply a massive

970
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:41,790
moving people migrating out of Asia they

971
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:44,010
were Asians also and that stated very

972
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:46,470
clearly in the book so all of the

973
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:48,750
peoples who came to the Americas as far

974
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:50,730
as we're concerned as far as the

975
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:52,710
evidence that we've looked at is

976
00:42:58,099 --> 00:42:54,780
concerned they all came from Asia it's

977
00:43:01,520 --> 00:42:58,109
just from different timeframes and they

978
00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:01,530
took different routes mm-hmm well I

979
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:03,420
think that makes a lot of sense and of

980
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,010
course it's a complicated history but

981
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:07,200
that's another great summary and what

982
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:09,240
about the mounds themselves these are

983
00:43:12,859 --> 00:43:10,650
more than just Hills right they're

984
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:12,869
pretty sophisticated ritual structures I

985
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:14,460
believe you've called them magic

986
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,380
machines for the Deaf journey and a

987
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:18,960
spiritual engine of sorts and maybe we

988
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:20,760
should talk about the context of the

989
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:23,730
path of souls because that ties in as

990
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,420
well sure well let's first let's get

991
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:29,940
straight when mound building started in

992
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:31,650
North America mound building started

993
00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:35,369
around 4500 BC or about 6500 years ago

994
00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:38,670
so we're talking about 6,500 years ago

995
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:41,700
in North America mounds started being

996
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:44,700
constructed initially the first ones

997
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:46,710
were they're usually called midden

998
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:50,609
mounds and a midden mound is a buildup

999
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:54,569
of refuse and material there are some

1000
00:43:59,780 --> 00:43:57,210
earthworks that they made which let me

1001
00:44:02,750 --> 00:43:59,790
explain that it could be a round oval

1002
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:02,760
shaped formation several hundred feet in

1003
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:06,630
diameter where the interior is flat and

1004
00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:09,720
low but then there is an earthen wall

1005
00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:13,319
built around it there are loads of those

1006
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:15,329
by the way and those can go back to

1007
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:17,640
three to four thousand years ago so

1008
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:21,030
those were the first kinds and then they

1009
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,150
started building these large Idina

1010
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:26,640
mounds which were these giant burial

1011
00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:29,609
mounds that were like cones and often

1012
00:44:35,010 --> 00:44:32,260
there was an earthwork built around

1013
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:35,020
with a moat there are some in England

1014
00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:38,190
and Europe that are identical to these

1015
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:40,680
over there they'll call them a barrow

1016
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:44,920
where they are a hinge hinge is an earth

1017
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:47,680
work that has a moat inside and then it

1018
00:44:53,460 --> 00:44:49,810
has a flat interior and often they're

1019
00:44:55,290 --> 00:44:53,470
just giant circles for example in this

1020
00:44:57,090 --> 00:44:55,300
area this the area that I mentioned

1021
00:45:01,290 --> 00:44:57,100
around the Kanoa River Valley there are

1022
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:01,300
some very large Idina mounds that are 50

1023
00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:05,200
60 70 feet tall they have diameters of

1024
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,340
like 350 feet and around them is a moat

1025
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:11,680
and then outside of the moat there was

1026
00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:14,050
an earth work that was eight to ten feet

1027
00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:16,660
tall now there were many of those in

1028
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:20,440
Ohio West Virginia Kentucky there's

1029
00:45:25,410 --> 00:45:22,380
still quite a few of them in existence

1030
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:25,420
that then evolved into what's called the

1031
00:45:31,170 --> 00:45:28,270
Hopewell the hope and all these names

1032
00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:31,180
come out of places where they were first

1033
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:33,640
identified the Hopewell started around

1034
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:36,910
500 BC and they made geometric

1035
00:45:44,850 --> 00:45:41,890
earthworks the most extensive and the

1036
00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:44,860
most incredible earthworks in the world

1037
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:49,960
are in Newark Ohio they it's recently

1038
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:51,730
just come under a great deal of

1039
00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:53,710
controversy because there's a battle

1040
00:46:02,160 --> 00:45:56,680
between the Ohio Historical Society and

1041
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:02,170
the club that operates the largest one

1042
00:46:07,530 --> 00:46:05,050
of these earthworks still that remains

1043
00:46:10,650 --> 00:46:07,540
today and it's called mound builders

1044
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:10,660
golf course and what it is it was this

1045
00:46:17,940 --> 00:46:13,690
Hopewell earthworks that long long ago

1046
00:46:19,950 --> 00:46:17,950
was a contract was given out to a golf

1047
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:19,960
club that they would preserve these

1048
00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:22,720
earthworks they could use it as a golf

1049
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:25,240
course if they would maintain the

1050
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:27,490
integrity of it and keep them in

1051
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:29,230
pristine condition and they have done

1052
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:32,110
that and what it is it's called the

1053
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:35,770
circle and octagon the circle is a wall

1054
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:38,770
of earth the continuous circular wall of

1055
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:41,950
earth that encloses twenty acres and

1056
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:44,890
it's a perfect circle totally flat in

1057
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:46,030
the center of these two one

1058
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:49,090
acres and then it connects to an to an

1059
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:52,660
octagon that encloses 50 acres the

1060
00:47:01,710 --> 00:46:57,850
octagon is formed by 8 straight lines of

1061
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:01,720
earth that are about 10 to 15 feet high

1062
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:04,060
so those walls of Earth or 10 to 15 feet

1063
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:07,750
high on the inside of the Octagon where

1064
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:10,510
the eight points would come together of

1065
00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:12,250
this earth and octagon

1066
00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:15,160
there is a truncated pyramid mound now

1067
00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:17,140
what that means is it's a pyramid but

1068
00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:19,870
with it has a flat top and when I say

1069
00:47:23,310 --> 00:47:21,580
pyramid it's earthen it's made out of

1070
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:23,320
earth even though there are some stone

1071
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:26,230
covered bounds around the Americas so

1072
00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:29,680
that then has another circle outside of

1073
00:47:37,110 --> 00:47:32,500
it with a wall of Earth around it and it

1074
00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:37,120
had a a straight line walkway that was

1075
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:41,500
hit that was enclosed with two parallel

1076
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:45,760
lines or walls of Earth that ran about

1077
00:47:51,810 --> 00:47:48,910
four miles these walls of Earth were

1078
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:51,820
about six feet high and they were a

1079
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:54,430
hundred and sixty feet apart so you have

1080
00:47:59,100 --> 00:47:56,290
this think of this think of an

1081
00:48:01,530 --> 00:47:59,110
interstate highway running just through

1082
00:48:04,290 --> 00:48:01,540
four miles and on both sides of the

1083
00:48:06,810 --> 00:48:04,300
highway it's all earth in the in the

1084
00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:06,820
center where the highway is but on both

1085
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:09,190
sides of it somebody has built a wall of

1086
00:48:14,910 --> 00:48:12,250
Earth that encloses you so that then

1087
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:14,920
goes to a what is called the Great

1088
00:48:22,890 --> 00:48:17,460
Circle this still exists in Newark Ohio

1089
00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:22,900
it encloses 50 acres the outer wall of

1090
00:48:29,790 --> 00:48:27,190
this thing is about 12 feet high on the

1091
00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:29,800
inside of it is a moat that is seven

1092
00:48:37,290 --> 00:48:32,200
feet deep and in the center of this

1093
00:48:41,010 --> 00:48:37,300
50-acre complex is a earthen effigy

1094
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:41,020
mound that is shaped into a eagle that

1095
00:48:48,210 --> 00:48:44,130
is lying on its back with its wings out

1096
00:48:51,330 --> 00:48:48,220
that exists there now I know almost all

1097
00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:51,340
of the rest of this incredible complex

1098
00:48:56,070 --> 00:48:53,860
of earthworks has been destroyed there

1099
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:56,080
are some portions of it it's almost

1100
00:48:59,920 --> 00:48:58,930
impossible to describe it the reason I

1101
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:59,930
took so much time

1102
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:02,480
explaining what the this walkway would

1103
00:49:08,110 --> 00:49:05,150
be 160 feet wide with the walls of earth

1104
00:49:11,620 --> 00:49:08,120
on both sides and closing there was

1105
00:49:14,170 --> 00:49:11,630
another walkway that was made

1106
00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:14,180
identically and it had the two walls of

1107
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:16,760
Earth on both sides about 160 feet apart

1108
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:18,950
there were three to five feet high on

1109
00:49:26,650 --> 00:49:21,950
both sides and perfectly flat on the

1110
00:49:32,140 --> 00:49:26,660
inside of the walkway and it ran 56

1111
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:32,150
miles south to Chillicothe Ohio where it

1112
00:49:38,590 --> 00:49:35,690
terminated at an almost identical circle

1113
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:38,600
and octagon formation and there are

1114
00:49:45,610 --> 00:49:41,450
several others of these in that exact

1115
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:45,620
vicinity in Chillicothe that is the most

1116
00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:48,290
extensive earthworks in the world there

1117
00:49:53,290 --> 00:49:50,750
is nothing that compares to it yet it's

1118
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,300
just almost unknown among Americans we

1119
00:49:58,930 --> 00:49:56,480
just don't know about it but that's just

1120
00:50:02,050 --> 00:49:58,940
one there are loads of these Portsmouth

1121
00:50:03,940 --> 00:50:02,060
Ohio had probably the most incredible of

1122
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:03,950
all and a lot of that's been destroyed

1123
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,530
but a lot of it still remains so there

1124
00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:08,720
were hundreds of these Hopewell type

1125
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,320
formations the Hopewell then evolved

1126
00:50:17,650 --> 00:50:14,720
into what is known as the Mississippians

1127
00:50:21,460 --> 00:50:17,660
in the Mississippians built gigantic

1128
00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:21,470
mounds Cahokia Mounds for example that

1129
00:50:27,220 --> 00:50:24,200
the mounds there there's 120 mounds at

1130
00:50:30,190 --> 00:50:27,230
the Cahokia Illinois site now Cahokia is

1131
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:30,200
about 10 miles to the east of st. Louis

1132
00:50:34,570 --> 00:50:31,850
when you get on top of the tallest

1133
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:34,580
amount you can see downtown st. Louis

1134
00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:36,170
and you can see the Mississippi River

1135
00:50:41,970 --> 00:50:38,390
but these hundred and twenty mounds

1136
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,980
formed a massive city that at least

1137
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:44,480
25,000 people lived at that's kind of

1138
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,910
the lowest number anybody gives some

1139
00:50:52,660 --> 00:50:49,040
archaeologists believe 50,000 people

1140
00:50:55,330 --> 00:50:52,670
live there it ended around the Year 1200

1141
00:50:58,060 --> 00:50:55,340
AD 1200 so it would be about 800 years

1142
00:51:02,740 --> 00:50:58,070
ago the Cahokia is tallest mound was

1143
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:02,750
called monks man it sits atop a set atop

1144
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:05,570
13 acres that's how big it is this one

1145
00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:07,970
man and that is larger than the Great

1146
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:10,760
Pyramid at Giza it is the height of a

1147
00:51:17,090 --> 00:51:13,800
ten story building it's 100 feet tall

1148
00:51:21,590 --> 00:51:17,100
it's massive to tell you how big the top

1149
00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:21,600
is in 1987 4,000 people gathered on the

1150
00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:23,670
top of that mound at the same time

1151
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:26,790
that's how big it is that still exists

1152
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:28,890
and there's about 60 of the mounds that

1153
00:51:33,590 --> 00:51:31,710
still exist in the park of Cahokia and

1154
00:51:34,310 --> 00:51:33,600
of course it's a it's a World Heritage

1155
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:34,320
Site

1156
00:51:38,990 --> 00:51:36,690
now Cahokia was the largest of all these

1157
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,000
Mississippi complexes but there are

1158
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:42,480
hundreds of these cities or towns that

1159
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,070
were part of this Mississippian culture

1160
00:51:50,830 --> 00:51:47,760
and a lot of them had 30 40 50 mounds

1161
00:51:53,810 --> 00:51:50,840
one of the more impressive lenses in

1162
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:53,820
Moundville Alabama which is near the

1163
00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:56,010
University of Alabama near Tuscaloosa

1164
00:52:01,070 --> 00:51:58,500
and it was a massive complex and of

1165
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:01,080
course that was the site where the PATA

1166
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:04,110
Souls ritual was really laid out that's

1167
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:06,210
where we really discovered what the pack

1168
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:08,520
of souls is about and it sort of

1169
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:12,210
explained how and why these mound sites

1170
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,730
were built and arranged the way they

1171
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:17,040
were because they're built and arranged

1172
00:52:24,110 --> 00:52:20,970
to point to certain astronomical events

1173
00:52:27,790 --> 00:52:24,120
such as the solstices the equinoxes and

1174
00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:27,800
the rise and setting of very specific

1175
00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:30,990
constellations and stars so that kind of

1176
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:32,700
leads into this whole patch of souls

1177
00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:34,500
concept mm-hmm

1178
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:36,660
yes hey have you ever had anybody talk

1179
00:52:41,090 --> 00:52:39,690
this much before this man I have I have

1180
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:41,100
there's been times where I just

1181
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:43,170
introduced people and I could have taken

1182
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:46,740
a nap if I wanted to but I mean I like

1183
00:52:51,050 --> 00:52:48,540
to make the show about the guests that's

1184
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,060
why you're here is why we do it that is

1185
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:53,040
a great breakdown of the construction

1186
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:55,740
and the composition of a couple of the

1187
00:52:59,720 --> 00:52:57,570
mound complexes and that is important

1188
00:53:02,630 --> 00:52:59,730
context for people understand just how

1189
00:53:05,420 --> 00:53:02,640
big and elaborate they really were and

1190
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:05,430
then yes let's lead right on into the

1191
00:53:10,550 --> 00:53:08,490
the purpose of some of them this idea of

1192
00:53:13,310 --> 00:53:10,560
magic machines for the death journey

1193
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:13,320
this path of souls stuff I mean this is

1194
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:16,710
their cosmology and their concept of the

1195
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:19,110
life death cycle I'm surprised how rich

1196
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:22,710
it is yes it is there were artifacts

1197
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:26,400
that had been recovered from man's by

1198
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:27,510
mainstream our

1199
00:53:34,550 --> 00:53:31,020
geologist doing excavations and some of

1200
00:53:38,090 --> 00:53:34,560
these artifacts had just incredible

1201
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:38,100
symbols most people have seen a symbol

1202
00:53:44,420 --> 00:53:42,090
of palm of the hand and in the middle of

1203
00:53:47,420 --> 00:53:44,430
it you see what looks like an eye that

1204
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:47,430
is the iron hand symbol that's been

1205
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:50,850
found in roughly 30 artifacts from the

1206
00:53:55,850 --> 00:53:53,250
mound building here in the Americas

1207
00:53:58,250 --> 00:53:55,860
there's another symbol that a lot of

1208
00:53:59,540 --> 00:53:58,260
people have seen that is carved unto all

1209
00:54:02,420 --> 00:53:59,550
kinds of artifacts

1210
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:02,430
it is feathered serpent it's like a

1211
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:06,330
rattlesnake that has feet and also has

1212
00:54:12,050 --> 00:54:09,210
wings and that's been found on quite a

1213
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:12,060
few and of course at most people used in

1214
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:13,680
the old days they used to immediately

1215
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:15,690
say oh that's the feathered serpent from

1216
00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:18,270
South America or Central America

1217
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:22,140
Quetzalcoatlus guy they said it was that

1218
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:24,180
but it turns out it's not in North

1219
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:27,090
America there are various other symbols

1220
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:28,200
that have been found

1221
00:54:33,020 --> 00:54:30,900
Raptor birds like an eagle but these are

1222
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:33,030
very ornate eagles and they're usually

1223
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:36,630
in depicted in real specific forms

1224
00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:39,270
there's a couple of others a skull for

1225
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:42,660
example a wide-eyed skull where the eyes

1226
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:47,460
are depicted as just round big round

1227
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:50,850
eyes empty empty eyes but it's a skull

1228
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:53,370
there's another symbol where you have

1229
00:54:59,570 --> 00:54:56,250
this skull with the round eyes but

1230
00:55:02,450 --> 00:54:59,580
there's like looks like fire coming out

1231
00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:02,460
of the mouth that's another symbol it

1232
00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:05,190
was these symbols that actually led a

1233
00:55:11,180 --> 00:55:07,230
whole lot of archaeologists into the

1234
00:55:15,140 --> 00:55:11,190
field and up until around the Year 2005

1235
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:15,150
or so you go into mound museums which a

1236
00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:17,490
lot of the the biggest mound complexes

1237
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:20,280
have museums there so they have depicted

1238
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:21,990
some of the symbols and a lot of them

1239
00:55:26,060 --> 00:55:23,730
have the artifacts with the symbols that

1240
00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:26,070
were found on you can see the actual

1241
00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:28,320
artifacts and they're just fascinating

1242
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:30,870
if you read what the archaeologists

1243
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:33,090
wrote back in 2000 and you can read

1244
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,880
interviews with them even my own books I

1245
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:38,160
always focused in on the symbols but a

1246
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,960
lot of them would say a lot of the art

1247
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:41,280
the archeologist

1248
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:45,330
say we'll probably never ever know what

1249
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:48,420
these symbols were or what they really

1250
00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:51,390
mean but darn they're interesting and

1251
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,820
that's why they got into the field but

1252
00:56:00,590 --> 00:55:56,160
here's the thing we do know now what

1253
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:00,600
they mean and paradoxically it was the

1254
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:05,490
passing of those laws in 1989 and 90

1255
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:07,770
which led to the discovery of what all

1256
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:11,850
these symbols mean because up until 1989

1257
00:56:18,860 --> 00:56:15,810
and 90 American archaeologists focused

1258
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:18,870
almost all their work on excavations and

1259
00:56:24,590 --> 00:56:21,930
the cataloguing of artifacts and trying

1260
00:56:27,020 --> 00:56:24,600
to identify cultures based upon the

1261
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:27,030
pottery they would dig out you know

1262
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:28,920
they'd look at radiocarbon dates and

1263
00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:30,420
that kind of stuff doing what they

1264
00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:33,900
called was science but they ignored the

1265
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:36,140
mythology that the Native Americans

1266
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:39,660
themselves had and it wasn't scientific

1267
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:42,210
then for them to look at a symbol and

1268
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:44,940
speculate upon what it might mean and of

1269
00:56:50,660 --> 00:56:46,980
course they really at that time had up

1270
00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:50,670
until 90 1990 I hate to say it but they

1271
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:53,070
really were very degrading to Native

1272
00:56:58,850 --> 00:56:55,770
Americans and I experienced that myself

1273
00:57:02,210 --> 00:56:58,860
I wrote about that a little bit in the

1274
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:02,220
book people of the web back in 1990

1275
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:04,440
which tells the story about that shaming

1276
00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:07,380
who stayed with us for 30 days so what

1277
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:11,790
what happened in the mid-1990s for their

1278
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:15,300
own reasons meaning apparently they had

1279
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:18,090
to do something to justify their

1280
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:22,250
existence a group of archaeologists and

1281
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:25,920
ethnographers and anthropologists came

1282
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:29,010
together every year at Texas State

1283
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:32,510
University and they had an ongoing

1284
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:36,240
conference to try and unravel what they

1285
00:57:43,070 --> 00:57:39,690
called the symbology of the southeastern

1286
00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:43,080
ceremonial complex the southeastern

1287
00:57:49,730 --> 00:57:47,100
ceremonial complex is represented by

1288
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:49,740
those symbols on the artifacts that I

1289
00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:53,280
just described meaning this the skull

1290
00:57:58,460 --> 00:57:55,740
miss talking about a bone you'd seen on

1291
00:58:02,030 --> 00:57:58,470
a lot of artifacts just about the ulna

1292
00:58:04,850 --> 00:58:02,040
you'd see the skull with the look like a

1293
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:04,860
speech box coming out of the mouth you'd

1294
00:58:10,930 --> 00:58:07,170
also see the Raptor bird the eye in hand

1295
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:10,940
and of course the the Federal service

1296
00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:14,640
but they decided we need to figure out

1297
00:58:22,780 --> 00:58:18,800
what these things mean so what they did

1298
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:22,790
was the ethnographer started pulling out

1299
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:28,370
some of the literally hundreds of old

1300
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:32,850
reports and Smithsonian books and books

1301
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:35,190
published by the US government by

1302
00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:37,710
Schoolcraft Henry Schoolcraft and many

1303
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:40,980
others where they actually talked about

1304
00:58:46,850 --> 00:58:44,310
all those beliefs and they began

1305
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:46,860
analyzing all of these books which were

1306
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,040
in libraries I used to look at them I

1307
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:53,520
still do they were not digitized that is

1308
00:58:57,350 --> 00:58:55,050
you couldn't get on the internet and

1309
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:57,360
look at them and you actually had to go

1310
00:59:00,830 --> 00:58:58,770
to the library and you had to either

1311
00:59:02,270 --> 00:59:00,840
check them out or you had to sit there

1312
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:02,280
and you had to go through them and there

1313
00:59:08,260 --> 00:59:05,490
are literally hundreds of these but what

1314
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:08,270
the ethnographers did back in the 1600s

1315
00:59:15,590 --> 00:59:13,050
1700s and 1800s all to the early 1900s

1316
00:59:17,330 --> 00:59:15,600
they literally went into the tribes and

1317
00:59:19,790 --> 00:59:17,340
they talked to the Shaymin and the

1318
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:19,800
medicine men and the tribal elders and

1319
00:59:23,570 --> 00:59:21,750
leaders and they started writing down

1320
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,580
their stories and they started writing

1321
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:26,160
down as much as they could about their

1322
00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:29,280
rituals and there were actually rituals

1323
00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:31,380
that were seen at the time and written

1324
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,740
down but as even a Native American said

1325
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:37,200
all those books were languishing away in

1326
00:59:43,070 --> 00:59:41,370
libraries unread because archeologists

1327
00:59:45,380 --> 00:59:43,080
didn't want to read all that because it

1328
00:59:48,110 --> 00:59:45,390
was nonsense and because it wasn't on

1329
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:48,120
the internet I know lots of researchers

1330
00:59:53,780 --> 00:59:50,850
that haven't set foot in a library

1331
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:53,790
everything they do was online so this

1332
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:55,910
group of archaeologists and

1333
01:00:02,300 --> 00:59:58,770
ethnographers got together and around

1334
01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:02,310
the year 2004 or so they started issuing

1335
01:00:09,529 --> 01:00:06,660
their reports and by roughly 2010

1336
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:09,539
had figured it all out and when I when I

1337
01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:12,210
became aware of this I immediately let

1338
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:14,430
in Collins know because what they found

1339
01:00:20,930 --> 01:00:16,920
was that the constellations of Cygnus

1340
01:00:22,970 --> 01:00:20,940
and the constellation of Orion were

1341
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:22,980
central to this whole belief system

1342
01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:25,710
about the path of souls or the death

1343
01:00:31,130 --> 01:00:28,500
journey or where our souls come from

1344
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:31,140
because this is a two-way journey souls

1345
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:33,240
come to the earth from the stars in

1346
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:36,089
their belief system and souls returned

1347
01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:39,690
to the Stars after death and souls that

1348
01:00:43,940 --> 01:00:41,579
are going to reincarnate go back and

1349
01:00:45,140 --> 01:00:43,950
forth all this is incorporated into

1350
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:45,150
their belief system

1351
01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:48,410
so Andrew and I wrote a book back in

1352
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:51,000
2014 he wrote an extensive introduction

1353
01:00:56,210 --> 01:00:53,970
and and afterward where he talked about

1354
01:00:58,640 --> 01:00:56,220
the Denise Evans that's where it started

1355
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,650
and our new book is really a follow-up

1356
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:01,440
to all that and he talked about the des

1357
01:01:06,589 --> 01:01:04,859
des cévennes being larger than were

1358
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:06,599
robust than others and he said they will

1359
01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:09,599
probably the Edina giant so that's how

1360
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:12,059
we got into all this but let me explain

1361
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:14,460
the whole path of souls concept and then

1362
01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:17,819
how we decided to validate this in a

1363
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:23,150
very scientific way so the idea is this

1364
01:01:29,809 --> 01:01:27,180
they believe that we had two souls one

1365
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,819
is called the life soul the other is

1366
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:31,920
called the free soul and when I say day

1367
01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:33,210
I'm talking about the mound builders

1368
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,119
Native American mound builders the life

1369
01:01:43,690 --> 01:01:39,119
soul is the physical body remember

1370
01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:43,700
everything in the universe has spirit it

1371
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:47,819
has an energy incorporated into it but

1372
01:01:52,460 --> 01:01:50,400
the body they knew the body came from

1373
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:52,470
the earth they knew we were a function

1374
01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:55,410
of fluid and minerals that we literally

1375
01:02:00,740 --> 01:01:57,420
came from the earth and they believed

1376
01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:00,750
that after death this physicality had to

1377
01:02:07,059 --> 01:02:04,200
be returned to the earth so that was

1378
01:02:10,279 --> 01:02:07,069
that is called lee life soul and the

1379
01:02:14,509 --> 01:02:10,289
artifacts that depicted a wide-eyed

1380
01:02:17,089 --> 01:02:14,519
skull just a skull with nothing in the

1381
01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:17,099
eyes and it looked literally lifeless

1382
01:02:22,650 --> 01:02:20,320
that is the life soul and they know now

1383
01:02:26,910 --> 01:02:22,660
those artifacts almost all of which are

1384
01:02:31,170 --> 01:02:26,920
drinking bowls were used in rituals

1385
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:31,180
during a death journey ceremony so that

1386
01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:34,210
is a clue here then there is the free

1387
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:36,760
soul the free soul is what most of us

1388
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:39,760
would describe as our our soul

1389
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:43,930
it has our personality it has it existed

1390
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:46,450
before we came into this body and it's

1391
01:02:52,740 --> 01:02:50,050
what exists when we leave it has a place

1392
01:02:56,340 --> 01:02:52,750
of origin and it has a destination and

1393
01:02:58,110 --> 01:02:56,350
it lives on after the body dies but it's

1394
01:03:00,780 --> 01:02:58,120
what most of us identify is our

1395
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:00,790
personality it accumulates all of our

1396
01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:03,010
thoughts and all of our deeds and so on

1397
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:06,070
and it has a certain moral aspect to it

1398
01:03:13,770 --> 01:03:09,730
we can be good and have been of service

1399
01:03:16,290 --> 01:03:13,780
to our fellow man or maybe we were evil

1400
01:03:19,650 --> 01:03:16,300
so there is a judgment involved in this

1401
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:19,660
so this free soul they found out is

1402
01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:22,710
depicted on the artifacts that showed

1403
01:03:29,970 --> 01:03:26,920
this skull this wide-eyed skull that had

1404
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:29,980
the speech box were the fire coming out

1405
01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:32,770
of the mouth and that fire coming out of

1406
01:03:38,730 --> 01:03:35,500
the mouth was the representation of the

1407
01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:38,740
free soul leaving the body at death

1408
01:03:44,580 --> 01:03:42,100
that's that that again all those were on

1409
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:44,590
drinking bowls of some kind so these

1410
01:03:50,610 --> 01:03:48,010
were used in a ritual where you would

1411
01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:50,620
move from one type of container to

1412
01:03:56,130 --> 01:03:54,430
another in this ritual so that is the

1413
01:03:59,730 --> 01:03:56,140
beginning of the concept so where does

1414
01:04:02,670 --> 01:03:59,740
the free soul go and when now this has

1415
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:02,680
been figured out by archaeologists not

1416
01:04:07,590 --> 01:04:05,170
me this is in their textbooks there's

1417
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:07,600
around 30 text books that have this in

1418
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:09,250
it I don't know how many articles but

1419
01:04:14,190 --> 01:04:11,710
I'll say hundreds of journal articles in

1420
01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:14,200
it so they know that they did this path

1421
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:16,630
of souls ritual where you release the

1422
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:20,110
free soul to the Stars around the winter

1423
01:04:25,950 --> 01:04:22,330
solstice at the time of the mound

1424
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:25,960
builders this era roughly two thousand

1425
01:04:30,750 --> 01:04:28,000
two three three thousand maybe four

1426
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:30,760
thousand years ago the path of souls

1427
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:33,370
ritual was done in the winter around

1428
01:04:36,450 --> 01:04:34,090
December

1429
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:36,460
21st that there's a window of time of

1430
01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:38,730
several months when you can do this and

1431
01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:44,350
the free soul had to be released in the

1432
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:48,790
morning before sunrise and it had to

1433
01:04:54,930 --> 01:04:51,370
make a leap of faith toward the western

1434
01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:54,940
horizon and at that exact moment in time

1435
01:05:01,770 --> 01:04:58,330
Orion's belt could be seen on the

1436
01:05:04,890 --> 01:05:01,780
western horizon and it was seen sinking

1437
01:05:07,140 --> 01:05:04,900
into the western horizon so Orion's belt

1438
01:05:09,330 --> 01:05:07,150
are those three really distinctive stars

1439
01:05:11,730 --> 01:05:09,340
but and it's actually a large

1440
01:05:13,850 --> 01:05:11,740
constellation well the Native American

1441
01:05:17,940 --> 01:05:13,860
mound builders called it the hand

1442
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:17,950
constellation they saw those three stars

1443
01:05:25,110 --> 01:05:22,000
forming the belt as a wrist of a severed

1444
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:25,120
hand that was dangling down the fingers

1445
01:05:31,050 --> 01:05:27,760
were pointing down in the palm of the

1446
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:31,060
hand they saw a slit in the sky which

1447
01:05:37,650 --> 01:05:33,760
they called an O key that is spelled og

1448
01:05:41,420 --> 01:05:37,660
EE and og the og is a little slit in the

1449
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:41,430
sky and the leap of faith was this soul

1450
01:05:46,530 --> 01:05:44,290
jumping across water which that's an

1451
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:46,540
important component I won't really go

1452
01:05:51,210 --> 01:05:48,850
into depth on it but this all had to

1453
01:05:56,550 --> 01:05:51,220
leap into that oogie right before it's

1454
01:05:58,920 --> 01:05:56,560
set into the horizon and it's actually

1455
01:06:02,370 --> 01:05:58,930
Orion's nebula which is also known as

1456
01:06:04,050 --> 01:06:02,380
Messier 42 you can see it to go out and

1457
01:06:06,570 --> 01:06:04,060
look at the belt of Orion at night you

1458
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:06,580
can see Messier 42 when you say it on

1459
01:06:10,170 --> 01:06:08,710
the eastern horizon it's above the three

1460
01:06:13,260 --> 01:06:10,180
stars when you see it in the western

1461
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:13,270
horizon it's on the bottom of the three

1462
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:15,370
stars and it's fuzzy it's kind of it's

1463
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:17,890
got color to it too so that's what the

1464
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:20,050
iron hand symbol meant so that was the

1465
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:23,530
first part of this path of souls journey

1466
01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:26,410
so the soul would lead to that and then

1467
01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:29,950
it it immediately went below the horizon

1468
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:33,430
and the Sun would rise and that is what

1469
01:06:38,490 --> 01:06:35,680
ended the the initial part of the

1470
01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:38,500
ceremony so that night the people I

1471
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:40,150
still haven't gotten into explaining the

1472
01:06:43,110 --> 01:06:41,710
scientific part of this that people

1473
01:06:45,390 --> 01:06:43,120
would have gathered they would have seen

1474
01:06:47,130 --> 01:06:45,400
this the bodies would have been the

1475
01:06:47,849 --> 01:06:47,140
bodies of the deceased would have been

1476
01:06:51,089 --> 01:06:47,859
put on

1477
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:51,099
on fire and cremated and there would be

1478
01:06:57,180 --> 01:06:53,650
a whole series of things done in this

1479
01:06:59,009 --> 01:06:57,190
ceremony where people would sing and

1480
01:07:01,309 --> 01:06:59,019
they would dance and they'd blow

1481
01:07:03,479 --> 01:07:01,319
whistles they would take certain

1482
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:03,489
substances we know what some of those

1483
01:07:11,460 --> 01:07:07,930
are the ID the planchette or these round

1484
01:07:13,859 --> 01:07:11,470
flat objects made out of stone with the

1485
01:07:16,259 --> 01:07:13,869
iron hand symbol carved on them we know

1486
01:07:18,450 --> 01:07:16,269
now those service tables I mean that's

1487
01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:18,460
known it's amazing you see these they

1488
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:20,680
look almost like disks they're about a

1489
01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:22,690
foot and a half in diameter perfect

1490
01:07:26,249 --> 01:07:23,980
circle they usually have really

1491
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:26,259
intricate edging around them and it

1492
01:07:30,839 --> 01:07:28,210
shows an eye on a hand it shows the palm

1493
01:07:32,729 --> 01:07:30,849
of the hand with the eye in it and then

1494
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:32,739
sometimes there's a rattlesnake around

1495
01:07:37,859 --> 01:07:35,410
it for a very specific reason and the

1496
01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:37,869
priests would take that out when all

1497
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:40,150
this ceremony began on the night of the

1498
01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:42,609
winter solstice lay it out and put the

1499
01:07:49,049 --> 01:07:46,900
various cups these drinking cups out and

1500
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:49,059
they each would be filled with different

1501
01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:51,730
substances which would be used in the

1502
01:07:56,579 --> 01:07:54,599
ceremony and the ceremony the

1503
01:07:59,460 --> 01:07:56,589
participants in the ceremony would be

1504
01:08:01,470 --> 01:07:59,470
the people who were alive who were

1505
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:01,480
sending the souls of their loved ones to

1506
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:04,930
the stars so that began the first step

1507
01:08:10,410 --> 01:08:08,079
of the journey now the next night time

1508
01:08:14,249 --> 01:08:10,420
as soon as the Sun went down

1509
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:14,259
you see Orion then on the eastern

1510
01:08:21,689 --> 01:08:17,409
horizon so you see the hand coming up on

1511
01:08:25,530 --> 01:08:21,699
the eastern horizon and right behind it

1512
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,540
is the Milky Way you see this this path

1513
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,279
of the Milky Way now the world was

1514
01:08:32,519 --> 01:08:29,920
darker than most people listening to

1515
01:08:35,010 --> 01:08:32,529
this cannot go outside and see any

1516
01:08:36,570 --> 01:08:35,020
remnant of the Milky Way modern lighting

1517
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:36,580
has pretty much just made it all

1518
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:39,040
disappear in most places not everywhere

1519
01:08:43,530 --> 01:08:41,409
but most places but what they believed

1520
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,540
then the next night the soul would come

1521
01:08:48,090 --> 01:08:45,279
out it made the passage through the

1522
01:08:50,729 --> 01:08:48,100
underworld under the earth and they knew

1523
01:08:52,649 --> 01:08:50,739
that the whole the stars went under the

1524
01:08:55,649 --> 01:08:52,659
earth and came up on the other side the

1525
01:08:58,289 --> 01:08:55,659
next night and then after that safe

1526
01:09:00,450 --> 01:08:58,299
journey through the underworld the soul

1527
01:09:01,559 --> 01:09:00,460
would leap out and get on the Milky Way

1528
01:09:04,979 --> 01:09:01,569
and it would be

1529
01:09:07,859 --> 01:09:04,989
again a journey to the north and the

1530
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:07,869
whole idea of path of souls the past is

1531
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:10,810
the Milky Way and they believe that the

1532
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:13,210
souls were making a journey toward the

1533
01:09:20,669 --> 01:09:16,500
north to go to a very specific

1534
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:20,679
destination now along the way they had

1535
01:09:26,189 --> 01:09:22,810
all these little trials and tribulations

1536
01:09:28,010 --> 01:09:26,199
and things they had to do to prove

1537
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:28,020
themselves on the journey

1538
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:31,839
some of them might slip and fall back to

1539
01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:34,690
earth where they might be reincarnated

1540
01:09:39,390 --> 01:09:37,420
or they might be cast into the

1541
01:09:42,930 --> 01:09:39,400
underworld which I haven't gotten into

1542
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:42,940
yet the underworld was ruled by this

1543
01:09:48,780 --> 01:09:45,810
feathered serpent the feathered serpent

1544
01:09:52,559 --> 01:09:48,790
was represented in the sky as the

1545
01:09:55,379 --> 01:09:52,569
constellation of Scorpius and Scorpius

1546
01:09:58,589 --> 01:09:55,389
is like a huge scorpion but they saw it

1547
01:10:01,649 --> 01:09:58,599
as a feathered serpent during the winter

1548
01:10:03,839 --> 01:10:01,659
months Scorpius is not seen in the

1549
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,849
southern sky that's where it's normally

1550
01:10:08,490 --> 01:10:06,159
seen and it usually just hovers above

1551
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:08,500
the horizon during the winter it's not

1552
01:10:14,430 --> 01:10:10,960
seen and you can't take this path of

1553
01:10:18,169 --> 01:10:14,440
souls journey when Scorpius is in the

1554
01:10:21,419 --> 01:10:18,179
sky because it will snatch the soul

1555
01:10:24,990 --> 01:10:21,429
trying to make the leap one of the

1556
01:10:28,169 --> 01:10:25,000
things this explains is why Native

1557
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:28,179
Americans would often store the bones of

1558
01:10:34,109 --> 01:10:31,090
the deceased they would bundle them up

1559
01:10:36,180 --> 01:10:34,119
and store them and then in the winter

1560
01:10:38,879 --> 01:10:36,190
they would they would take the bones of

1561
01:10:42,330 --> 01:10:38,889
the deceased and do the ceremony that

1562
01:10:44,879 --> 01:10:42,340
released the free soul to the sky but

1563
01:10:46,890 --> 01:10:44,889
that explains why they often did now you

1564
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:46,900
might you you might wonder why these

1565
01:10:53,250 --> 01:10:50,290
giant skeletons were sometimes found in

1566
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:53,260
these really rather exquisite tombs in

1567
01:11:00,629 --> 01:10:56,320
the base of various mounds right and it

1568
01:11:03,569 --> 01:11:00,639
was because they wanted this leader or

1569
01:11:07,050 --> 01:11:03,579
this Shaymin or memorable elite whoever

1570
01:11:10,169 --> 01:11:07,060
it was to reincarnate exactly the same

1571
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:10,179
as the pharaohs in Egypt is the exact

1572
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:12,130
same idea and they believed that there

1573
01:11:15,570 --> 01:11:14,320
were two souls also the BA and the cause

1574
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:15,580
what they call them

1575
01:11:19,890 --> 01:11:18,130
it all just matches rather perfectly so

1576
01:11:24,030 --> 01:11:19,900
we're talking about a worldwide belief

1577
01:11:25,710 --> 01:11:24,040
system here Wow Wow and blowing my mind

1578
01:11:27,660 --> 01:11:25,720
and then we're at the end of the road

1579
01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:27,670
but hopefully we can do this again

1580
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:29,950
sometimes and just and just start right

1581
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:33,190
in the deep end of the pool okay I'm

1582
01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:35,170
willing hey it's been a pleasure I can't

1583
01:11:39,810 --> 01:11:36,790
believe that it's two hours but it is

1584
01:11:42,330 --> 01:11:39,820
I'm looking at my little [\h__\h] - yes

1585
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:42,340
yes luckily we're not on a strict time

1586
01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:43,930
limit like I'm not fitting this into

1587
01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:47,230
some you know radio show schedule but

1588
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:49,510
obviously we're wrapping it up and this

1589
01:11:53,130 --> 01:11:51,370
has been super interesting you

1590
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:53,140
definitely cover the spread when it

1591
01:11:57,060 --> 01:11:55,510
comes to the books you've written other

1592
01:11:58,380 --> 01:11:57,070
things that are going to be putting out

1593
01:12:00,600 --> 01:11:58,390
next that we should tell people about

1594
01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:00,610
are ways to check up on you websites

1595
01:12:06,330 --> 01:12:04,270
social media a couple things there is

1596
01:12:09,780 --> 01:12:06,340
Andrew Collins has started a group on

1597
01:12:12,570 --> 01:12:09,790
Facebook called denisa been discussions

1598
01:12:16,410 --> 01:12:12,580
I'm on Facebook you got to use my whole

1599
01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:16,420
name to find me Gregory L little I post

1600
01:12:19,890 --> 01:12:18,190
a lot of this on Facebook and any

1601
01:12:23,730 --> 01:12:19,900
articles that I write I'll put on

1602
01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:23,740
Facebook I use Twitter I'm dr. Greg

1603
01:12:29,580 --> 01:12:26,830
little seven on Twitter I use Twitter

1604
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:29,590
for my profession mainly and the books

1605
01:12:35,550 --> 01:12:31,840
that I do professionally which is my

1606
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:35,560
main that's mainly what I do also ap

1607
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:37,960
magazine dot info I generally put an

1608
01:12:43,140 --> 01:12:40,930
article or two there every month beyond

1609
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:43,150
that I had nine books come out this year

1610
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:46,690
so I have several in the hopper but I'm

1611
01:12:50,700 --> 01:12:48,910
almost 70 years old man I'll be 70 in a

1612
01:12:53,310 --> 01:12:50,710
couple months so keep that in mind I

1613
01:12:55,530 --> 01:12:53,320
don't know when I'll slow down this year

1614
01:12:56,940 --> 01:12:55,540
I have not slowed down nine books as the

1615
01:12:59,280 --> 01:12:56,950
most I've ever put out in the given year

1616
01:13:00,930 --> 01:12:59,290
now I have co-authors on many of them

1617
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:00,940
and that helps Wow

1618
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:03,310
but Andrew wrote roughly two-thirds of

1619
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:05,290
Denis have been origins and I wrote the

1620
01:13:10,170 --> 01:13:07,510
rest of it but the publisher gave us

1621
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:10,180
word totals Andrew went over I stayed

1622
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:12,370
where I wanted so that explains it

1623
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:14,080
I do what I'm told I listen to my

1624
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:19,050
superiors man I really did love the book

1625
01:13:22,670 --> 01:13:20,880
I loved everything you had to say today

1626
01:13:24,380 --> 01:13:22,680
you're an interesting cat doctor a

1627
01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:24,390
little thanks for taking the time and

1628
01:13:28,730 --> 01:13:25,830
for all the work you do have a good one

1629
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:28,740
I appreciate it so much and maybe we'll

1630
01:13:33,879 --> 01:13:31,690
do it again for sure

1631
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:37,120
oh my my you beautiful people how about

1632
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:41,510
that so glad so glad we could make this

1633
01:13:46,180 --> 01:13:43,790
one happen I'm sure it's gonna be

1634
01:13:49,330 --> 01:13:46,190
popular this is one of those shows where

1635
01:13:51,550 --> 01:13:49,340
I'm actually a little disappointed in

1636
01:13:53,649 --> 01:13:51,560
the format where the second hour is

1637
01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:53,659
reserved for premium people because my

1638
01:13:58,540 --> 01:13:55,670
god did we get into some interesting

1639
01:14:01,300 --> 01:13:58,550
places by bringing up his book grand

1640
01:14:04,540 --> 01:14:01,310
illusions the spectral reality

1641
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:04,550
underlying sexual UFO abductions crashed

1642
01:14:10,030 --> 01:14:07,280
saucers afterlife experiences

1643
01:14:14,590 --> 01:14:10,040
sacred ancient ritual sites and other

1644
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:14,600
enigmas whoo mouthful even for me but it

1645
01:14:20,140 --> 01:14:17,330
is the kind of nuanced examination of

1646
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:20,150
high strangeness that gets closer to the

1647
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:23,050
heart of things again with the plasma

1648
01:14:28,330 --> 01:14:25,130
it's all right up my alley

1649
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:28,340
so so amazing and I hope I can get them

1650
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:31,520
back and we'll start there and talk

1651
01:14:37,870 --> 01:14:34,730
about Edgar Cayce also who mr. little

1652
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:37,880
has spent a lot of time studying but you

1653
01:14:41,740 --> 01:14:39,530
have to tell him you liked this show and

1654
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:41,750
that you do want him to come back supply

1655
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:42,530
and demand

1656
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:45,290
you know the drill but what a guy the

1657
01:14:49,629 --> 01:14:47,210
amount of work he's done is very

1658
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:49,639
impressive not just in subject areas

1659
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:51,679
that overlap with us but even the vast

1660
01:14:56,830 --> 01:14:54,800
amount of psychology content he's put

1661
01:15:00,490 --> 01:14:56,840
out aimed at helping people with

1662
01:15:02,830 --> 01:15:00,500
difficult aspects of life it's a lot and

1663
01:15:05,859 --> 01:15:02,840
he's a humble guy you got to love that

1664
01:15:08,859 --> 01:15:05,869
and he added some important context

1665
01:15:11,740 --> 01:15:08,869
around the mounds he's got a great story

1666
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:11,750
of these dream experiences that

1667
01:15:16,330 --> 01:15:13,790
compelled him to study the mounds and

1668
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:16,340
the mound makers it's very close

1669
01:15:21,100 --> 01:15:19,489
encounters or Field of Dreams but the

1670
01:15:24,510 --> 01:15:21,110
other mountain books he has the

1671
01:15:27,609 --> 01:15:24,520
Illustrated guides I mean this is a real

1672
01:15:29,729 --> 01:15:27,619
contribution to the historical record

1673
01:15:32,919 --> 01:15:29,739
same with the path of souls just

1674
01:15:35,410 --> 01:15:32,929
dissecting all that learning it bringing

1675
01:15:37,629 --> 01:15:35,420
it back it's like when I get excited

1676
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:37,639
about a guest who's translated some

1677
01:15:44,799 --> 01:15:42,080
obscure grimoire into English just wow

1678
01:15:46,510 --> 01:15:44,809
you really did something

1679
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:46,520
and I just hope over the course of this

1680
01:15:53,140 --> 01:15:50,329
show it's become obvious that Greg

1681
01:15:55,870 --> 01:15:53,150
little is a great example for Greg's

1682
01:15:58,689 --> 01:15:55,880
everywhere especially the less

1683
01:16:01,689 --> 01:15:58,699
productive ones and I salute him for it

1684
01:16:04,330 --> 01:16:01,699
and this was sort of a whirlwind for me

1685
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:04,340
lots of content and I can't remember if

1686
01:16:10,899 --> 01:16:07,520
we relate all the details about one or

1687
01:16:14,649 --> 01:16:10,909
T's but that is another wild an

1688
01:16:17,169 --> 01:16:14,659
important story that this 1528 Gold

1689
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:17,179
expedition and Tampa Bay had failed and

1690
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:19,190
then DeSoto and his men come through

1691
01:16:25,629 --> 01:16:22,250
that area 11 years later and find this

1692
01:16:28,569 --> 01:16:25,639
guy Juan Ortiz from the first expedition

1693
01:16:30,129 --> 01:16:28,579
that survived and lived with the natives

1694
01:16:33,689 --> 01:16:30,139
for those 11 years and learned their

1695
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:33,699
language and everything what a life

1696
01:16:40,569 --> 01:16:38,329
there are no phones or telegrams to tell

1697
01:16:43,419 --> 01:16:40,579
people that you survived no contact of

1698
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:43,429
any kind no way to get back home and

1699
01:16:50,049 --> 01:16:47,090
then 11 years that's a long time you'd

1700
01:16:51,580 --> 01:16:50,059
really have to probably inform de Soto

1701
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:51,590
and his men even that that first

1702
01:16:59,890 --> 01:16:56,090
expedition happened just wild times wild

1703
01:17:01,720 --> 01:16:59,900
times but also on the subject of giants

1704
01:17:03,970 --> 01:17:01,730
we've been talking about that theme a

1705
01:17:06,549 --> 01:17:03,980
bit in the joint sessions and I brought

1706
01:17:09,729 --> 01:17:06,559
this up there but we've heard guests

1707
01:17:12,399 --> 01:17:09,739
talk about the Humboldt Museum in Nevada

1708
01:17:15,339 --> 01:17:12,409
and how you can ask to see the bones of

1709
01:17:17,890 --> 01:17:15,349
giants there well I found out that

1710
01:17:21,010 --> 01:17:17,900
apparently they have a sign up and let

1711
01:17:24,819 --> 01:17:21,020
me just read from it first off it has

1712
01:17:27,250 --> 01:17:24,829
red hair Giants with the big know like

1713
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:27,260
the no-smoking symbol through it and it

1714
01:17:31,180 --> 01:17:29,090
says there are many myths surrounding

1715
01:17:33,850 --> 01:17:31,190
the so called red-haired Giants from the

1716
01:17:36,370 --> 01:17:33,860
Lovelock caves much of which you find on

1717
01:17:38,830 --> 01:17:36,380
the Internet is false the Humboldt

1718
01:17:41,740 --> 01:17:38,840
Museum no longer has any human remains

1719
01:17:43,810 --> 01:17:41,750
from the Humboldt sink area for the

1720
01:17:46,689 --> 01:17:43,820
record the remains that were here years

1721
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:46,699
ago were not giant one of the male's may

1722
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:48,650
have been 6 feet tall which was tall of

1723
01:17:54,729 --> 01:17:51,170
them but certainly not 7 or 8 feet in

1724
01:17:57,220 --> 01:17:54,739
height there are no archeological facts

1725
01:17:58,570 --> 01:17:57,230
supporting this myth please refer to

1726
01:18:02,240 --> 01:17:58,580
blah blah

1727
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,250
Wikipedia whitewashing [\h__\h] I'm just

1728
01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:04,320
messing around but it is interesting

1729
01:18:10,130 --> 01:18:07,860
that they do have this sign hmm you hate

1730
01:18:12,260 --> 01:18:10,140
to see that cotton and I guess we

1731
01:18:15,340 --> 01:18:12,270
weren't the first to think about showing

1732
01:18:17,570 --> 01:18:15,350
up there to ask about such things and

1733
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:17,580
speaking of the joint session I know we

1734
01:18:24,290 --> 01:18:21,360
had some confusing messaging over this

1735
01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:24,300
last joint session for October I said I

1736
01:18:28,940 --> 01:18:26,460
would do it on the 25th released a show

1737
01:18:31,730 --> 01:18:28,950
on the 25th saying that and then I ended

1738
01:18:34,670 --> 01:18:31,740
up canceling it a few hours beforehand

1739
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:34,680
and it wasn't any super serious

1740
01:18:39,710 --> 01:18:37,050
emergency thing but because of the fires

1741
01:18:43,250 --> 01:18:39,720
and the Santa Ana winds a lot of people

1742
01:18:45,770 --> 01:18:43,260
were without power it took me just a lot

1743
01:18:48,770 --> 01:18:45,780
longer to do anything I was stuck in

1744
01:18:50,810 --> 01:18:48,780
serious traffic when I cancelled I also

1745
01:18:52,700 --> 01:18:50,820
saw that part of my zip code was getting

1746
01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:52,710
power shut off couldn't get a clear

1747
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:54,510
answer on exactly where the lines were

1748
01:18:58,580 --> 01:18:56,970
drawn and I knew some other people who

1749
01:19:01,940 --> 01:18:58,590
were having a hard time dealing with all

1750
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,950
the inconveniences too so it wasn't the

1751
01:19:07,580 --> 01:19:03,840
biggest deal in the world but it was a

1752
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:07,590
lot of logistical inconvenience and I

1753
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:09,810
don't think I've canceled a single one

1754
01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:11,970
since they started but unfortunately I

1755
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:14,430
just couldn't make it happen I would

1756
01:19:18,020 --> 01:19:16,410
just move it back a week but I'm gonna

1757
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,030
be in Florida for the last week of

1758
01:19:23,570 --> 01:19:20,880
October for my brother-in-law's wedding

1759
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:23,580
Congrats to Dave and Katie I haven't

1760
01:19:27,260 --> 01:19:24,690
learned the dance routine for the

1761
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:27,270
time-warp yet but there's still time and

1762
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:29,970
it's why the fifth show of October is

1763
01:19:34,250 --> 01:19:32,460
coming out a little early too I gotta

1764
01:19:37,670 --> 01:19:34,260
get on a plane tomorrow you know got a

1765
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:37,680
work hard though to play hard so here we

1766
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:41,370
are that said if you want more THC if

1767
01:19:45,890 --> 01:19:43,290
you like the first free hour if you

1768
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:45,900
enjoy how much I try to pack into a show

1769
01:19:51,020 --> 01:19:48,480
and how little downtime we have compared

1770
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,030
to some of your other options please

1771
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:53,280
think about signing up for THC plus you

1772
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:56,880
get an extra hour each episode mp3's of

1773
01:20:03,710 --> 01:20:00,000
the higher side cover songs all that

1774
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:03,720
good stuff and eight dollars is like a

1775
01:20:09,980 --> 01:20:07,050
tip on dinner hopefully this show is

1776
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:09,990
worth that to you because I do try my

1777
01:20:14,510 --> 01:20:12,090
best to make it as good as I'm able to

1778
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,520
make it in today's plus show like I

1779
01:20:18,710 --> 01:20:16,320
mentioned it got really really good if

1780
01:20:20,660 --> 01:20:18,720
you ask me and it was hard to even find

1781
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:20,670
a good place to split this thing because

1782
01:20:24,650 --> 01:20:22,260
the breakdown of the path of souls

1783
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:24,660
cosmology took a while to explain and is

1784
01:20:30,260 --> 01:20:27,330
also important in making this overall

1785
01:20:32,540 --> 01:20:30,270
show sound complete but in the second

1786
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:32,550
hour the great Greg Whittle does walk us

1787
01:20:37,220 --> 01:20:34,170
through a deeper look at the path of

1788
01:20:39,230 --> 01:20:37,230
souls cosmology we talk about why mr.

1789
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:39,240
little thinks control of the masses by

1790
01:20:43,670 --> 01:20:41,310
the elite was a big aspect of mound

1791
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:43,680
builder culture we get a breakdown of

1792
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:45,810
Greg's book grand illusions like I

1793
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:48,090
mentioned and we hit that sweet spot

1794
01:20:55,940 --> 01:20:50,970
lately plasma-based intelligences that

1795
01:20:58,820 --> 01:20:55,950
impede on our reality man great month I

1796
01:21:02,000 --> 01:20:58,830
leaned a McKusick David Icke Eric

1797
01:21:04,670 --> 01:21:02,010
Dollard I hope you agree I don't love

1798
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:04,680
the fee but commercial and sponsor free

1799
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:07,800
is the way to be if you ask me and I

1800
01:21:10,670 --> 01:21:09,570
guess that's it from San Diego's own

1801
01:21:12,620 --> 01:21:10,680
stone or dr. Seuss

1802
01:21:15,530 --> 01:21:12,630
I'll see you on the other side of Jack

1803
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:15,540
Skelton day your move history white

1804
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:17,610
washers mound culture oppressors and

1805
01:21:22,780 --> 01:21:20,210
plasma beings permeating our reality

1806
01:21:32,530 --> 01:21:22,790
you're [\h__\h]

1807
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:32,540
oh no you see no world isn't random it's

1808
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:38,080
attached above our strength control over

1809
01:21:50,770 --> 01:21:44,690
everything a 95 is trying to steal yeah

1810
01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:50,780
now don't that job seems silly hello can

1811
01:22:04,970 --> 01:21:56,450
you hear me why should I play recordings

1812
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:10,070
I'll be thankful when it's exposed the

1813
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:14,400
fastest even if such a difference

1814
01:23:17,540 --> 01:22:21,110
between him and Dan

1815
01:23:25,010 --> 01:23:17,550
[Music]

1816
01:23:29,780 --> 01:23:25,020
oh no they're cartoons it's so typical

1817
01:23:38,290 --> 01:23:29,790
of me to talk about this stuff I'm sorry

1818
01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:38,300
there's good and well did you ever hear

1819
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:42,510
argument the nothing really happens it's

1820
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:43,360
no secret

1821
01:25:42,410 --> 01:23:48,159
[Music]